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Trinity is an herectic religion thingy, sadly it's used by religious folks to try and prove their faith and consequently be owned by atheists, there's a very good video disproving the trinity but if I post it here I will expose where I live...

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Trinity is an herectic religion thingy, sadly it's used by religious folks to try and prove their faith and consequently be owned by atheists,

I assume you are thus a non-trinitarian christian, which I say is less worse than a trinitarian one, but... well... still a christian and consequently be owned by Muslims.

there's a very good video disproving the trinity but if I post it here I will expose where I live...

Who needs a video to disprove the trinity, you only need a brain and pre-school math.

However, if I would send one single channel to disprove christianity as a whole, then it would be Jake Brancatella channel:

https://www.youtube.com/@JakeBrancatella
https://www.youtube.com/@JakeBrancatella2.0

Note: Channel 2 is the continutation to channel 1, he created it because Youtube flagged and shadowbanned due to a video.

I am spiritual but not religious and I do think Jesus is the one who saves

I remember learning that you had a archived website where you refuted Christianity, Christianity is the closest thing from my believes, i didn't have read any line of it though, if you can send the link here it would be nice to learn why do you believe in the islam religion, i'm quite curious on how others see the world

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I am vegan but not plant eater.

I'll admit I laughed at my computer screen when I read that, i guess the right way to put is "I don't believe in the Denominations"

Saves from what? assuming you mean salvation according to christianity, then you need to be a religious person (christian) to get that.

again, I follow the bible, not a common denomination

I wouldn't really recommend my site anymore, altho I still consider it good and an achivement, but I raised my quality standards and it doesn't fit them anymore, I recommend you checking an expert, but in case you want to view it anyway, here:

https://web.archive.org/web/*/universal ... cities.org
https://web.archive.org/web/20260000000 ... eberg.page?

'kay

If you asked me, I seriously can't answer why I believe in Islam now, one possible reason is because I have debated and saw so many people trying to refute it, but none managed to even scratch its surface, each time one fails, it makes me more confident it is irrefutable, so overtime, its over.

I wanna try a technique, where I simply ask: Say Islam is the truth, now compare it with other religions, and see which one could stand against the logic, the correct reasoning, the pure wisdom of Islam.

basically every religion fails at first comparision lol...

I honestly agree, If you compare (Sunni) Islam with whatever your average Protestant believe, Islam seems the most sane

And that's pretty much why I believe in the Holy Bible too, nobody has been able to refute it properly, Although the Bible has been modified by goat blood drinkers, The main holy message is still there, even on a modern and corrupted “Easy To Read” version (not saying they are OK)

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for some reason, the burning train just seems like a blur to me aside from what little logs i kept in my txt file
i only remember the retard spamming his "anti-diggy" essay or whatever that i didnt end up caring about since i don't take diggy's articles wholesale like he thought we did.
i do hope i see less names that i recognize from there coming back here in the long run however. i do think it got more annoying thanks to the instant and spectacular nature of instant messaging places, super unserious

-duion

would be immensely funny if he came here too, he basically took over your role after you ragequit the muc

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In Islam we have the hadith of sects/denominations, here is its text:

Narrated AbuHurayrah:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said: The Jews were split up into seventy-one or seventy-two sects; and the Christians were split up into seventy one or seventy-two sects; and my community will be split up into seventy-three sects.

So there is 71 jewish denomination and 72 christian denomination and 73 Islamic denomination

Only one for each religion is the one that gives you salvation, the rest, you go to hell.

only Islam's denomination (Sunni Islam) is the way to salvation.

perhaps you could say why? also according to your believes hadiths aren't as reliable as the Quran too
Jews don't even accept Jesus as a prophet so how would they even have a denomination which would save them at the time?

Well, I believe a person is saved by mainly The God's mercy, beliving and having faith in The Son of God, accepting him as their Savior and repenting. Jesus' the Son, not The Father, but He's the path to him and God is extremely merciful, He sacrificed his Son for our sins.
He's also the one who protected me against some demonic attacks, I believe you arabic-speakers call demons jins (?) I cast demons away with the name of Jesus

Note: before you go and look up the jewish or christian correct denomination, I tell you they don't exist anymore

I agree, I don't believe any denomination is gonna save me, neither Sunni Islam

like how can you say "nobody has been able to refute it properly" and you just claimed it was modified by "goat blood drinkers"?

try to refute my blessings

like that on itself is a refutation, as revelation and holybooks must be pure, clear and not modified, can you pin point which part is correct and which is modified in the bible?

what you simply slided over is a major argument in Islamic/Christian debate, we the Muslims are the one to claim our book Quran, has 0 modification, it is 100% correct down to the semi-letter, and I am the one who have the right to claim nobody has been able to refute it properly.

Also because the Gospel is originally sent by Allah (God), therefore if whatever correct thing left in the bible (not modified), is essentially found in Islam, so Islam has everything correct with christainity minus everything wrong.

A book not being modified for centuries does not make it holy neither correct
first, It's totally feasible to me, yes myself, and you too to write a religious book with no contradictions, you just need to be keen and clever, second, Quran does have errors despite not being modified for centuries.
Honestly, I know these books serve different purposes, but at a Logical rigor, Morals and Dogma of Freemasonary is more coherent and less filled with gaps than the Quran, sorry.

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I wish you be known to the fact that this is the second time I am writting this because I was using a hard drive with bad blocks and i accidentally stumbled upon them and the Hard Drive got locked, I am using my main one now

I also feel the need to say that I don't hate you although I don't know exactly why.

No they are, only a group call "quranists" believe otherwise, and they are wrong and may not even be Muslims.

Still, Hadiths don't have the same level of preservation as the Quran, right? Is that any different then beliving on the Torah and The Gospel as valid scriptures?, Let's not forget that although the "goat blood connoisseurs" may be able to twist the words of the Word of God and create versions that may lead a person to a wrong path, they can't change the word of God, The Torah and the New Testement may not be 100% accurate but the core and holy message immutable

Malachi 3:6 (KJV)
"For I am the LORD, I change not; [...]"

Hebrews 13:8 (KJV)
"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."

2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

Psalm 119:89 (NIV)
"our word, LORD, is eternal; it stands firm in the heavens."

The Quran also says the exactly same thing

Al-Kahf 18:27
"Recite what has been revealed to you from the Book of your Lord. None can change His Words, nor can you find any refuge besides Him."

If God's word cannot be changed, why does the Quran were needed to be revealed to fix the Bible?

Let's not forget that according to the Quran, Earth was created after the Heavens in Surah 2:29, but then, In Surah 41:9-12, Allah says to Mohammed that Earth was created before the Heavens, does this make any sense? That's a contradiction

This part is true, from a hadith:

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:

Observe moderation in deeds (and if it is not possible, try to be near moderation) and understand that none amongst you can attain salvation because of his deeds alone. They said: Allah's Messenger, not even you? Thereupon he said: Not even I, but that Allah should wrap me in His Mercy and Grace.

https://sunnah.com/muslim:2816g

So salvation is by God's mercy (Not to say don't do anything and hope for that, work is to gain that mercy.)

According to the Bible, God's mercy is a Gift, not something you work to gain

Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

Titus 3:5 (KJV)
"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;" (remind that Holy Ghost is a older synonymous term for Holy Spirit)

You're saved by faith, If a North Korean manages to escape their country and stumble on a church in China and have true faith in God, even if they get kidnapped the next day and come back to NK and don't even know a full verse of the Bible, they will be gifted with salvation if they really have faith

The Bible does encourage good works though

This one is where the fatal error is, you are claiming God, exalted is he, has a son? how come? is this son a second God? as you claimed the Trinity isn't a correct doctrine, which mean the Son is independent of God, thus, you are claiming 2 gods... a polytheist basically.

As for the sacrification of the son for our sins, I quote from the Bible:

If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. [2 Chronicles 7:14]

This verse is exactly what Islam is telling you over and over, just to quote one verse from the Quran:

Say: "O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah: for Allah forgives all sins: for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. [Quran 39:53]

So what a god gains from having a son, sacrifice him only to forgive sins he could just forgive, does this makes God "gooder"?

They say, "Allah has taken a son." Exalted is He! Rather, to Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and the earth. All are devoutly obedient to Him, [Quran 2:116]

I tell you, it is not the truth, and not the path of salvation, to claim about God what God hasn't told any creation, God never had a son, nor had a wife, it is not proper for him to do so !

Jesus's sacrifice was a sign of the Love that God has for humanity, His creation

Romans 5:7=9 (KJV)
"For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him."

John 3:16 (KJV)
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Jesus's sacrifice also fullfills the animal sacrifices which were a done in The Old Testement, they were a temporary covering for the ultimate sacrifice

Hebrews 10:1-4 (KJV)
"For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins."

Hebrews 10:10-14 (KJV)
"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified."

Jins are a kind, there are Muslim jins and Infidel jins.
Once, jew(s) asked some scholar on why demons never messes with them, he replied "What would they gain from a broken house".

That's very true indeed, I started having spiritual attacks when I was descovering the fraud which this World is a few years ago

There aren't 2 types of demons though, There are only Satan (Lucifer)'s servants that will attack people if they give legality (like paintng your entire bedroom with pitch black, drawing a inverted cross on the wall, a pentagram on the ground, and whatnot) or when somebody is annoying Lucifer (like my case)

but I will trust you anyway

I don't lie about these things.

And that's obviosuly wrong believe, as even Jesus of the bible contradicts you:

And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” [Matthew 16:18-19]

So unless you followed the denomination of Peter, you are basically not saved, according to Jesus of the bible.]]

Jesus gave an authority status to Peter in the early church, I can't see where you saw the "If you aren't part of the denomination of Peter you will perish in Sheol"

and I don't see the argument for why "all denominations are wrong"? a denomination isn't neccessary a bad, believers, the people of God, simply moving in the same path, until they reach God, so where is the issue you have with this idea?

Literally no issue about a community of people heading the same path, I just don't believe you're going to be saved by going on a bulding on a usual basis and doing a couple of rituals

I assume what you are expereincing is some state of "blessings" and good feelings that happens to you whenever you do what you do.

Guess what? that's same feeling Satanists have, literally.
Satanists, buddists, hindus, and every demon worshiper, feels that "good feelings" induced by demons to mislead and cheat you.

It is even mentioned in the Bible:

And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. [2 Corinthians 11:14]

So he comes as angel of light, maybe even talks to you about good stuff, induce good feelings, and tells you the wrong path you are moving through is the right way. And that's how he mislead.

feel free to search for experiences of those who went this path of spirituality, they all start with good feelings, then depression and paranormal activities, then they are either hired by Satan to spread the thing (some famous guy here named Ahmed Emara is destroying lives of so many, I assure you its tribble thing), or simply suicide or go insane.

I WARN YOU, THAT PATH WILL LEAD TO YOUR DOOM


Just SEARCH ! many lives destroyed !

When I wrote "blessings" I knew I'd get a reply like that, sorry I can't think in a better expression to convey what i meant, my bad
I'm not invoking/talking to spirits or trying to reach the gnosis, don't be too concerned with me, I know how much lives were destroyed by this sort of thinking, I never had a "angel" or "good spirit" manifest upon me, The closest thing I experienced was like a feeling of having my soul consumed by something and losing my strengh while my vision got extremely noisy and being unable to move/talk until I cried out to Jesus (mentally cuz I couldn't say anything)

True, but a modified one is unholy and not correct, so that takes the Bible out of the equation. and Quran remains, that's the point.

Let's suppose the Quran is in fact the pathway, does translating it to another language make the message unpure? It's kinda of a modification after all

Freemasonary has logic? morals? lol

No that's just the name of the book

I think in one of their writings, they claimed Satan is source of genius because he lead Adam to the tree of knowledge.

Is it really that different than the Quran saying that Adam was the one deceived by Satan and not Eve?

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you know? this may sound a bit weird, it is actually, but don't get it twisted, it seems you're quite a good person from the limited spectrum of you I am able to see.

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muh, have you ever wrote a gaint block of text, then removed it by yourself because reasons? at least having a faulty hard disk is justification.

The first version was actually smaller, I think it was a good thing my disk lock up while I was working on it

Let's I accidentally threw it on the ground a few months ago ehe

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No man, say you hate me, don't hide your feelings

I may see you as a infidel but I still don't hate you, In fact I like having this sort of debate, if you see my posts you will notice (although I was bit exaggerated in the beginning to see if I'd get banned or smth)

They do, why do you think we have hadith science, and a whole set of "filters", rules, etc.. that a hadith has to pass to be deem authentic, once authentic you can't change that fact.
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If a hadith was narrated by unknown person, it is unauthentic automatically, sooo.
both Torah and the Gospel (we have today) are of unknown origin, no one knows who wrote them, thus they fail even first rule of hadith authenticity.

It even seems similar to the work the early church made to determine which scriptures were canon

All the books you see on a Bible nowadays are the final result of various religious authorities' debates and agreementments and reformations of the canon bible

An holy scripture also don't need a specific author to be holy too

2 Peter 1:20 (KJV)
"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

And mentioning the Apocrypha, I don't consider them for doctrine because they lack divine authority or are just made up, I think they're a good historical/moral addition though

The Torah itself attributes its authorship to Moses

Exodus 24:4 (KJV)
"And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel."

Deuteronomy 31:9
"And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and unto all the elders of Israel."

And where is the proof that "Jesus is son of God" is part of the "core and holy message" and not an insertion done by goat blood drinkers at council of nicaea?

I think you're not aware that I meant "Freemasons" by "goat blood drinkers", They certainly weren't around in the 1500s
And I may ask you, how do you know the sunni scholarly consensus isn't corrupted too?

BTW There's an modification to the bible, twisting it's words that I can tell

1 John 5:7 (KJV)
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

The right translation is:
1 John 5:7 (Anderson's New Testament)
"For there are three that testify, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood;"
The latter translation of the Bible got it right although it isn't only one

The three witnesses John mentions are the Holy Spirit, the water (of Jesus’ baptism), and the blood (of His crucifixion)

In fact, if you read the bible, you hardly could come up with that conclusion, in fact, you may even get the Islamic doctrine of him, for example:

[Badly formated Luke 24:13-24]

And? Didn't Jesus proclaimed the message given to him by the Father? That fullfills the Role of a prophet, and this still does not lower his position as Immanuel too

when we say Quran is word of God, we mean it literally, in all literal sense, that God spoke the Quran, when you read it, you are reading what God has spoken, so it fits the definition of word of God.

Muslims claim it being from God, spoken from God, and Muslims believe it because it says it's from God even though there's no proof of said divine authorship

The bible is:

1-Collection of messages
2-Statistics (Not a joke, check Numbers 31)
3-Gospels written by unknown
4-Word of God (in sense that someone is writing what God said)

meanwhile the actual Gospel was only mentioned but not written anywhere:

Quran was written by Muhammed's followers, but who were them? your arguments for the denial of the Bible can also be used to question islam

And about that, I will repeat the quoting of 2 Peter 1:20

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

14 Now after John was imprisoned,[a] Jesus went into Galilee and proclaimed the gospel of God.[c] 15 He[d] said, “The time is fulfilled and the kingdom of God[e] is near. Repent and believe the gospel!”

It will be silly to claim Jesus was claiming "Go preach John gospel" or any of the gospels we got today as most of them have been written after Jesus's time, so there was a Gospel, the real one from God, but it isn't even here today.

you're declaring that there was a single "real gospel from God", and it doesn't anymore, That’s a theological claim, not a historical one.

you also forgot that "gospel" means "good news" Jesus preached, so “believe the gospel” means "accept the message"

you're mixing up “gospel” as a message with the later written gospels as books, since later written gospels are human texts about Jesus, not direct transcripts from him

also, "written later" don't disprove neither the Bible or the Quran's truthfullness

As for the Quran verse you mentioned, word of God doesn't neccessary mean holy books or God speech, but it could also mean fate, so the interpertation of the verse is "when God decides something that will happen, nothing will change that decision"

I agree with this one

Also God doesn't Love "Humanity" in sense the liberal scene

Seriously? I'm neither white nor liberal if you think so

God hates infidels

I know, who rejects the Son will be cast into the lake of fire in a everlasting punishment (Revelation 20:11–15, Matthew 25:46)
And this isn't a reason to hate you too.

And what kind of "sign" is this anyway? Did people before Jesus simply thought God hated them or didn't express his love enough?

I said more things on the earlier post about this, i don't need to write anything now

in Islam if God loves you, he causes you to do good things or casts bad things and have you patient so you are rewarded, etc etc..

<<Today>>, Satan is the one who casts bad things towards whom that are doing bad things/heading a wrong path, because they simply don't have the divine protection from God or are doing bad things, because What Goes Around Comes Around™, This makes me think your God is Satan ;)
One's gonna be effectively punished in the great judgement

not that he give birth to a son then kills it like a Satanist would do to please satan just to express love.

This is sounding more and more like a flame, please think about that.
God did not needed a sacrifice like a pagan ritual, Jesus' death has a redemptive meaning within the theology.

This is an argument I developed myself: Assuming that Jesus death was the thing that cleared away the deadly sin, then what was the point of the old testement anyway?

That's like saying that all Abrahamic religions are false because, nothing of this matters if there's a defined group of people who's gonna be saved and others who won't be, so why not avoid create everything?

Just Imagine this, you are some guy who lived before Jesus, and you believe you are cursed with a sin that you can't remove, and thus your end is basically vanishing, then what is the point of anything? you are doomed anyway, you may try to get some worldly benefit by asking God and all but, who cares about wordly stuff?

basically giving that, every person mentioned in the old testament should be depressed, well unless they didn't believe in this deadly sin to begin with.

Just to not forget to express the evilness of this doctrine, comparing prophet Jesus to an animal, a sheep for that manner.

That's understood as a part of human life due to the inherent imperfections of humans. and God's merciful
The animal sacrifices did not cleaned your sins it just covered them, not remove them, and they POINTED forward to the ultimate sacrifice

Anyone who believes in Jesus will be forgiven of all their sins which will be permantely erased, and receive eternal life, in the near future after the Great Judgement

Speaking of Lucifer, according to my knowledge, he isn't even a canon figure in christianity/Bible, even the name was coined by some catholic church writer.

I just wrote it because if you say "Satan" it could also mean Jesus depending on which believes someone might have, i probaly wrote it cuz my mind was overloaded with information at that time, sorry

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ts called worshipping God, the objective, the goal of our creation

And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me. I do not want from them any provision, nor do I want them to feed Me. Indeed, it is Allah who is the [continual] Provider, the firm possessor of strength. [Quran 51:56]

but as you said earlier, you believe only faith is enough to get you saved, we do have a denomination/sect that believes that, they are called Murji'ah, and they believe that a Muslim who said the Sahada, remains a Muslim and no sin takes him out of it beside kufr.

Unlike what Sunnis believe, if we stopped praying, that's apostacy, you aren't a Muslim anymore.
so worshipping God (praying) is a must to remain Muslim, but Murjiah says only faith is enough, just like you say.

ofcouse Murjiah are wrong, and easily debunked using Quran/hadiths, I won't go into details, but case in point:

Faith + Work = Salvation
Faith - Work = No-Salvation
Work - Faith = No-Salvation
-Work - Faith = No-Salvation

Thats our doctrine.
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I do worship God, but I don't need to be on a church to this, I can do this inside my home
and talking about churches, let's just say most are just heretic or literally mixing paganism with christianism in my country

No regrets, you was in a serious situation.
Whoever demon caused you that, seriously went back to Satan with a happy news that you called a mortal instead of God, because you had a demon attack...

If it wasn't powerful, I'd be cooked for now

If i cried in the like of like, Yashua/Yahushua or whatever people are saying nowadays, instead of Jesus, I can assure you the demon would have a good time

Islam doesn't even claim the tree was special, it is just a tree, not "tree of knowledge".

Some may say that the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was symbolic thing or literally supernatural
Let's remember that Adam and Eve before falling were celestial beings, then God covered them in a mortal flesh
It could be both supernatural and symbolic in my opinion

knowledge came from God, as he taught Adam the names of all things (Yes, the name of all things, if you talked to adam and told him about the electrons and quarks and what not, he will understand you).

Some may get this context from the text from Genesis, I honestly think they knew way more than we do

Can you make the difference here, between how God of the bible tried to keep Adam ignorent by preventing him from eating from the tree of knowledge, and then punishing him for something he didn't know (because he was ignorent), and punishing entire humanity unjustily for a sin they didn't do, then giving birth to a son, sending it to suffer on earth, then kills it unjustly to forgive sins of others?

This phrase alone would make me think you're something gnostic
Adam and Eve did know command not to eat from the tree and they did the opposite of what god said. Eve was tempted by the serpent, she ate it, said to Adam that She didn't died and offered to Adam, and He ate, then they got scolded by God and they got banished from Eden, none tried to blame God, because they were aware of his command, and choose not to follow it

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YAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

The joy of being called infidel by an infidel, MMMMMMM TASTY

anyone else want to call me infidel, like this is amazing.

I see people bothered whenever I call them infidel, its like they knew they are infidels, but me, please, calling me infidel means I am correct.

It wasn't a flame, and I'm not bothered by you calling me infidel, and you also made it even seem like I touched a wound on you

I do hate you (don't take it too personal, I hate every infidel in existance), but lets hope you will convert after all of this, then I won't hate you.

That's super kind of you

This doesn't respond to my argument, as all the books in the bible are, of unknown authors or origin.

I have said, you just didn't read properly

And what we got isn't the Torah for sure, the Torah is a holy book, like Quran, what we get is some text that may have snippits of the Torah, but we can not be sure.
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ok then, and how can you be sure of the truthfullness of the Quran? you still didn't replied properly, I already replied why Bible is the truth, and you?

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Only Quran is authentic now, you can't tell me for sure that any text is part of the original holy book.

But where's the proof? Because is says so? I can make a religion book saying baphomet is Adonay and say it's the actual truth

Freemasons aren't the only group that tries to destroy religion, even Jews of the kabalah existed, never the less the books were modified and twisted, by one group or another.

Like I showed you a twisted and good version of , they can't wipe the holy message, they can even make different bible versions, but the original still remains, and most of what jews did and are doing to this day is try to wipe the image of jesus, they hate him
And, how are you assured early Muslims weren't doing this job too?

for the Jesus being son of God, remember Jake Brancatella?

I am only aware of writters from my country

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Maybe reading the older scriptures and finding contradictons, huh?

Here is a bonus for you, Matthew 28:19:

19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

First: This was never applied in other text, check:

38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. [Acts 2:38]

14 When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to Samaria. 15 When they arrived, they prayed for the new believers there that they might receive the Holy Spirit, 16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. [Acts 8:14-16]

48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days. [Acts 11:48]

4 Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” 5 On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. [Acts 19:4]


So they all baptized in the name of Jesus, not the Trinity, suggesting a modification..

Second and most importantly, Eusebius quoted the verse, 17 times, without Trinity, like this:

"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in my name"

This is a proof that the text was modified to make a way for Trinity doctrine, isn't this a clear proof?

Yea, you could say it is, so you should stop beliving Hadiths too, since they are 99% correct and not 100%
You could also understand that The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the same how the wife and husband are one after marriage, and it could also have been "The Spirit, Water and the blood" in earlier versions, don't forget about that

Basically nothing does according to a christian, Jesus not having anything, beating beaten by romans, etc etc will not lower his position from godhood.

it's extremely normal to be ressurected after supposedly "being killed"

case in point, he left people thinking he was just a prophet

Why are you even assuming this?

not god, thus no salvation from them (according to your doctrine).

I completely missed the point, We have access to God through Jesus, Jesus is not the Father and I've been saying this 700 times

if you do believe that just beliving jesus was a prophet is enough for salvation, then I am saved, since that what I believe in.

no, He's the meshiach, Immanuel and did the job of a prophet too

If you're assuming I believe Jesus is God, The father, no, I already said, We have access to God through Jesus, The Father, Son and the Holy Spirit aren't the same

There is no proof... if you ignored all proofs, sure.

From your writting style, You wouldn't make this a one line reply if you knew any other proof other than the Quran saying it

They are well known, here is their names:

Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, and Ali ibn Abi Talib, Aban ibn Saeed ibn al-Aas, Ubayy ibn Kaab, Zayd ibn Thabit, Muadh ibn Jabal, Arqam ibn Abi al-Arqam, whose name was Abd Manaf, Thabit ibn Qais ibn Shammas, Hanzalah ibn al-Rabi’, Khalid ibn Saeed ibn al-Aas, Khalid ibn Saeed ibn al-Aas, Khalid ibn al-Walid, al-Zubayr ibn al-Awwam, Abdullah ibn Saad ibn Sarh, Amir ibn Fuhayrah, Abdullah ibn Arqam, Abdullah ibn Zayd ibn Abd Rabbih, al-Ala’ ibn al-Hadrami, Muhammad ibn Maslamah ibn Jurays, Muawiyah ibn Abi Sufyan, and al-Mughirah ibn Shu’bah [1].

But to your knowledge, Quran isn't even a written book, it is an oral book, meaning it is transmitted orally, not through text.

text is an addition.

Ok, and I did know Quran was a oral book, still, having the names of the writters don't make it holy

and what is the proof of that, what makes the gospel Jesus preaced just "accept the message" and not a book?

read the last post again please

So basically God sacraficed his son, to otherwise 99% infidel world, to show love of humanity? can't you see how that's illogical?

Jesus is for everyone, You can choose follow him even after living a pagan life if you regret it, you didn't need to follow him while he was in this material world so you were saved, because after all, He's still alive

whoever is hated by God is hated by me, done.

I don't hate you because I know you have a lack of discernment

Satan can't do anything, the bible may have made him sound cool and powerful (trying to attack heavens or lifting jesus or what not), but in Islam the thrust of his ability is to ask you to do something.

Life would be heaven if that were the case, imagine I suddenly hear a voice in my eardrums saying "Hello, I am a evil demon, servant of Satan, who hates you, and I'd want to kindly ask you to do X sin"

Also you teared half of the words I said on the earlier post

If you think God is Satan because he cast "bad" things, then be ready for a fresh reminder of the old testament.

_You are interpreting what I wrote too narrowly_

and that was on the old testament, he will only actually punish the people when the messiah come back now

Re-read what I said, as what you just said means nothing.

"If a selected group of people's names' are already written in the book of life, why is this all needed?"

there is no such thing as "Abrahamic religions", its a stupid liberal framename, there is only one abrahamic religion and that is Islam, the rest is peganism attributed to abrahmic, who wasn't a polytheist.

That's your opinion

We worship God like God ordered us to worship him, and he ordered us to go to mosques so we do.

ok then

I don't know if christianity obligate going to church or not

Bible wise? no, Religion wise? yes

I don't recall any bible text that says that

so do i

Where in the bible does it says that?

You can logically assume that, they didn't even had a mortal body made of flesh before the fall

They don't [...]

i did ;-;

Did they knew that disobeying is evil?

they knew they shouldn't have done it, their CREATOR directly said not to, didn't you said you believe they knew about everything?