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Hello,

I am new here and I guess landed here because I was/am interested in learning more about privacy in this digital age. But during my "development" I noticed that apparently no one else (in my direct vicinity/ real life) really cares for privacy and therefore you are mostly alone on this journey. No, "internet friends" do not count. It just stunned me how much no one really cares for getting raped by the technology they use.

I do not know your living situations but I am a student, soon going to college (degrees are everything it seems like) and I already know I won't be getting along in Computer Science, using proprietary bloat and in general very badly opinionated software. This is ironic as I would assume most of us that made it here are probably good with computers and/or programming.

Just recently I had a conversation with my CS teacher in high school about open source after he saw my "dumb phone" (obviously he had to make fun of it since it wasn't an Apple product, his favorite brand) and he told me, that he thinks, that all software should be controlled by corporations, since they can provide guaranteed support and all that crap. There is no way I am working with or for such idiots. But what else do you do? I obviously can't go full Luke Smith and live on some land I own, since I live in the EU. How do you get along in life, where everyone else is okay with being a slave (to technology, work etc.) until they die? Or maybe even meet someone that isn't a slave to all these things?

This doesn't only apply to work/ career though, as even the students have fallen victim to this in the form of "social media". These networks seem to be everything and without them you are nothing to them. Obviously I am fine with that since I don't need to derive my identity/character whatever from external sources and validation, but if you don't have a presence there you seem to be non existent to these people, even though you meet them everyday. No one has hobbies anymore, no one reads anymore and therefore there exist no real shared interests which could build real relationships. How are you supposed to talk to anyone, when they are constantly glued to their screen and when they decide to talk to you, they can't come up with anything original but repeat some retarded new TikTok trend?

I hope this post isn't too schizo for my first post to be approved by mods. Interested to read your opinions on this!

These types of "schizo" posts are very appreciated! (at least, by me)

The only realistic "cope" is the dream of a revolution, of a better world. Also, you can try to convince the normies, some of them are surprisingly receptive to anti status quo information.

Keep in mind that, during the entire history of humanity basically everyone went with the flow. And it took a few unvawering activists to change anything. Kill child labor for half the day in mines, etc. We can expect this trend to continue as that is just how the human is.

The human, to resist, needs to basically lose everything to the point that sacrificing himself for "the cause" (whatever it might be) seems less costly than to keep going along. This is the case in the vast majority of people, at least. In the end we are animals, with stuff in our brains and bodies designed by evolution (if you believe in that) to ensure our survival and comfort. The "rationality" is only built on top of all this. This explains the normie and why the activist or revolutionary is so rare.

Of course, it's not entirely biology. There's all kinds of propaganda being spread to demoralize you, scare you, manipulate you, make you believe that acting according to "the system" is the only way to go. The small pack(s) of psychopaths formed a world in which even conceptualizing resistance is very costly. Everything out there tries to convince you otherwise. Schools, media, politics, police, advertisements, credit scores and other crap.

One thing that for years has annoyed me even about this community is how tech-focused they are. They will go all the way to get their privacy, security, anonymity - which is great. But they won't see all the other issues underpinning the tech ones. For example, unlimited property rights for corporations which allow them to create all the privacy violating tech with impunity. States which with their "laws" allow them to do stuff that you'd be guillotined for several times over (and they themselves benefit from the grabbed data anyway). Banks or other institutions which now "require" you to use phones. Schools which serve as brainwashing facilities for kids. And so on.

Activism must be general, not specific. Because it's the generalities that then spill over into specifics like privacy issues.

Thanks very much for your reply, I have read a lot of your articles that helped me see through a lot of bullshit in this space (Proton Mail, Mozilla Firefox etc.), so I feel quite honored to have you reply

Keep in mind that, during the entire history of humanity basically everyone went with the flow. And it took a few unvawering activists to change anything.

That is true, but what makes this so hard to believe now is how different humans are conditioned today, compared to the past in which, as you said, good or bad revolutions took place and were often started by only one or a few humans. It's just, that today we seem to be so far apart from this "animal part" of ours, that anything that might have been natural and be the cause for a revolution in the hopes of a better life seems unrealistic nowadays. The priorities and goals of most humans are so different from how they were for the entire recorded human existence and not in a good way. I guess this shows just how good the "small packs of psychopaths" have become. I don't know if 1984 is considered another psyop here, but I liked the book and it makes the same point with the immortal party and how humans have been stripped of their basic instincts for the purpose of the party.

One thing that for years has annoyed me even about this community is how tech-focused they are. They will go all the way to get their privacy, security, anonymity - which is great. But they won't see all the other issues underpinning the tech ones. For example, unlimited property rights for corporations which allow them to create all the privacy violating tech with impunity. States which with their "laws" allow them to do stuff that you'd be guillotined for several times over (and they themselves benefit from the grabbed data anyway). Banks or other institutions which now "require" you to use phones. Schools which serve as brainwashing facilities for kids. And so on.

Yes exactly, I think it is easy to get tunnel vision if you are interested in a certain topic and that's great, but I also think that there is a lot more going on then just the tech. Obviously EU and EU state laws mostly suck and get worse by the day, though I don't know if it's really just incompetence or if they are doing it on purpose. And the issue you highlighted with schools is also very personal for me. I really like to learn and think education is important. But schools don't seem to be interested in a good education. For example: Every student had to buy an Apple iPad for our school. So my family had to spend 1300€ (and don't forget the licenses!) to even get me "school utensils". Then I obviously had to make an account with Apple, which obviously required my phone number and birth date. Now, do we learn more and better? Definitely not, most students I see are playing games or watching TikTok/Instagram on their iPads, which most teachers know, which is why they put very little effort into their lessons. And even that little effort they put into their lessons will then be solved using ChatGPT. It reminds me very much of the speakwrite from 1984, where the idea seems to be to remove humans as far from actual writing as possible, be it through speaking or "writing" on a literal piece of glass.

Activism must be general, not specific. Because it's the generalities that then spill over into specifics like privacy issues.

I also think that is the way to go, but it's a lot harder then basing a "movement" off of specifics. But you are right, that a movement should be concerned with a more general cause like freedom for example and then try to change the specifics from that idea, because else you automatically leave out most people, which doesn't really help a broader movement.

Thanks very much for your reply and optimism, all though I have seen that other members aren't as optimistic about activism as you are

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The human, to resist, needs to basically lose everything to the point that sacrificing himself for "the cause" (whatever it might be) seems less costly than to keep going along.

Really beautifully said, I don't even think it needs to be for a cause but can also be "just" for a better version of oneself. Do you by any chance read philosophy? Just asking because it reminds me of Nietzsche's Uebermensch theory.

asyouwish wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2026 9:32 am
That is true, but what makes this so hard to believe now is how different humans are conditioned today, compared to the past in which, as you said, good or bad revolutions took place and were often started by only one or a few humans. It's just, that today we seem to be so far apart from this "animal part" of ours, that anything that might have been natural and be the cause for a revolution in the hopes of a better life seems unrealistic nowadays. The priorities and goals of most humans are so different from how they were for the entire recorded human existence and not in a good way. I guess this shows just how good the "small packs of psychopaths" have become. I don't know if 1984 is considered another psyop here, but I liked the book and it makes the same point with the immortal party and how humans have been stripped of their basic instincts for the purpose of the party.

Certain "animal parts" of ours have been deactivated (like those who would resist getting dragged to war, etc...). But certain other are very well active. The basic fear programming that exists in every living creature that has a brain, is constantly being used against us. Yes, the psychopaths are becoming more and more effective as more is learned about how humans work. They know which buttons to push through propaganda, threats, and so on. Look up the Milgram experiment if you don't know about it already.

Yes exactly, I think it is easy to get tunnel vision if you are interested in a certain topic and that's great, but I also think that there is a lot more going on then just the tech. Obviously EU and EU state laws mostly suck and get worse by the day, though I don't know if it's really just incompetence or if they are doing it on purpose. And the issue you highlighted with schools is also very personal for me. I really like to learn and think education is important. But schools don't seem to be interested in a good education. For example: Every student had to buy an Apple iPad for our school. So my family had to spend 1300€ (and don't forget the licenses!) to even get me "school utensils". Then I obviously had to make an account with Apple, which obviously required my phone number and birth date. Now, do we learn more and better? Definitely not, most students I see are playing games or watching TikTok/Instagram on their iPads, which most teachers know, which is why they put very little effort into their lessons. And even that little effort they put into their lessons will then be solved using ChatGPT. It reminds me very much of the speakwrite from 1984, where the idea seems to be to remove humans as far from actual writing as possible, be it through speaking or "writing" on a literal piece of glass.

Haha. "Nice" to know what's going on in schools today. In my time the only electronics were those in IT lessons. School will always find a way to extract more money though. And of course all the big tech companies have deals with them to sell their devices, or recently AI, etc.

But truly, school cannot work regardless. You can't "make" someone learn by putting him in a chair for 7 hours per day, writing down stuff he doesn't care about. He will resist when he doesn't feel human and respected and in control of his own education. And thus, you end up not remembering anything. It's proven over and over anytime those street interviews etc. are done. Even to people who just left school a few years ago.

The entire notion of "general knowledge" that absolutely needs to be known to create a "proper citizen" or whatever, is also suspect. Most of that is never used in real life. The vast majority of people will end up doing some basic jobs that don't require chemistry, physics, history, and so on. These jobs will have to be done regardless, so most people could easily not go to school. Even for the specialists, the knowledge they've learned in school will have to be repeated in higher education. Not every kid is even capable of becoming one regardless, and those who don't will just waste time learning the physics, etc. in primary/secondary. But school doesn't care, and everyone is fed the same educational "diet". There have been no attempts to change the system since its inception.

And when you accept this, you start seeking additional explanations as to why school might exist. Obedience training is an obvious answer when you look at the sitting, not speaking, not moving without permissions. And the dumb grades which teach you that the entire point of your life is "performance" and acceptance by your superiors.

I also think that is the way to go, but it's a lot harder then basing a "movement" off of specifics. But you are right, that a movement should be concerned with a more general cause like freedom for example and then try to change the specifics from that idea, because else you automatically leave out most people, which doesn't really help a broader movement.

Thanks very much for your reply and optimism, all though I have seen that other members aren't as optimistic about activism as you are

Yeah, you are right. Specific goals are fine. It's still important to avoid getting trapped into a singular issue while forgetting or ignoring the issue(s) that really sits above it, and to which yours are subservient to. Always keep in back of your mind that a won battle is only that, and not a won war.

For example, some people chose to fight privacy battles by spreading info on social media, creating software, or even trying to fight BS laws in court etc. And this is great to convince people and temporarily improve their lives, but cannot succeed long term. The corpos have more people, more influence (even in courts or the legislature itself - just watch how Stop Killing Games is failing), more resources, more knowledge to bring about the changes that they want. They work with states who benefit from all the data collection that they do. Even if they get fined it's never enough to actually hurt them, and no one goes to jail.

That is why the actual solution is a system in which the so-called powerful people don't just feel they can do everything they want. Which is basically the case today. Reversing the power imbalance is the key. Anarchists have figured out long ago that nothing else can truly work. Of course, you still need to get there by some path so things like what Louis Rossman is doing are valuable. But you can't get locked in them forever.

Really beautifully said, I don't even think it needs to be for a cause but can also be "just" for a better version of oneself. Do you by any chance read philosophy? Just asking because it reminds me of Nietzsche's Uebermensch theory.

I'm familiar with him, he has some valuable stuff but I don't entirely agree with his philosophy. I guess it's a convo for another topic.

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LoadingXML wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2026 3:46 pm Can you imagine people here can't agree on one single thing, like some say going to war, being agressive and rebellious is the natural "animal part" (speaking about themselves), now dig says not going to war and being smooth is the natural one lol.

No, I think what is natural is resisting the person who is dragging you to war. Not randomly attacking others. Try to take a bone away from a dog and see (if the dog hasn't been trained). The unnatural one is complete submission, the thing that we've been trained for.

The school dropouts maybe, I can't get how an engineer ends up doing basic job (even if he choose to due to reasons), but you are in EU not africa, there are many technological companies and startups, I hate the lazy image this community gives about europeans, I seriously start to believe the immigration policies is just to deal with lazy europeans, not to deal with population crisis.

No, even those with higher education due to the simple equation of there being more need for janitors, waiters, etc. than engineers, astronauts, or whichever "educated" job. Check out some news sometime. Microsoft, Netflix, Google and so on are firing people en masse, because there is just not that much need. These are skilled workers who spent their entire youth "educating" themselves. The system doesn't work.

Also, I don't even believe working for those "tech startups" is necessarily optimal. What's so good that they do? Many invent surveillance equipment, war equipment, etc. Janitors, on the other hand, are one of the most important occupations; the entire civilization would get buried in dog poop and beer bottles without them in a week. I think they should be respected and paid more.

Too much weight is put into the assumption that you need to somehow climb the ladder of job positions, and become a business owner or whatever that has more influence. Even if the influence isn't good and it's something you hate doing. The "justify your life" culture needs to die.

And sure, it's great to have accomplishments, but "the system" of education -> job -> high salary, etc. isn't the only path for that.

To me, this is the best anti-school argument, like the only best one, yes I recall learning the same thing over and over, that going to the next topic is a luxury.

If we killed repetition, maybe one could finish school+university in like 7 years or so.

It's not the best argument. The best are those that expose what actually happens to the kids there. 10% are bullied for example, many suicide. It's proven that suicide rates in students drop during the vacation months, then rise back again during school months - all that after controlling for factors like there being summer, etc. They get taught to blindly obey, ignore their own needs like sleep or toilet. They get "rated" on everything they do, like some tools. They get judged for disease that doesn't let them come or makes their performance at certain things worse. Many schools still practice even beatings. The psychological destruction is the best argument.

Even if you want to ignore all that, it's completely pointless to teach kids things they hate to learn or are not good naturally at. The sane education system would only teach the things that they want to learn or are good at so they can fulfill themselves or contribute to "society" later (if you believe in that). You know little Timmy will never be a painter, why waste his time and give him pain? The current way is not only cruel but inefficient. The engineer will not use the 20 other subjects he learned in school. And so on.

School shoves the same knowledge into everyone, individuality isn't considered at all. It's obvious certain kids don't have an affinity for something early on, so why not take that into consideration? If someone shows affinity for engineering, why not just focus the efforts there and only there? Seriously, can you answer me that? If you are so eager to defend modern school, you should have an answer as to why everyone is shoved into the same regime.

Neither their ideas work lol.
Infact, their ideas are less likely to work then any other diplomatic way.

Anarchism realizes the problem with power. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Only when it's fought whenever it rears its ugly head, can anything good be had.

Current ways are not diplomatic at all. Were Ukrainian soldiers diplomatized with when they were being sacrificed in the war? Truly, is the average person asked for anything at all? Anarchism would resist that. Other ideologies basically require you to trust that the people who found themselves in power positions deserve to be there and won't abuse them. But it never works. The higher someone gets, the less he usually deserves to be there, and the more he fucks up his job. It's visible in politics, medicine, business, everywhere. And in the current system, they are not resisted at all because it's assumed "high position = justified".

I really didn't look forward to your reply, but let me see if I can answer some of your stuff too.

LoadingXML wrote:I know many people who, if you delt with you will think they are normies, but behind the scenes they are terrorists (exaggerating here), case in point, telling others that you are not normie is a normie thing.

Very common argument about making assumptions based on appearances/ behavior, but guess what? Most of the time this is correct. Let's just assume more if not most of these people are so extraordinary like you say, what's the point in hiding that and constantly trying to dumb yourself down? At least in school I can observe nobody having any conversation concerning any hobby and mostly spend time on their phone. Could they suddenly start creating something (beautiful) at home? Possible but not likely, since a bright mind won't just want to submit to hours of incompetence, at least I hope so.

LoadingXML wrote:You probably can't define what being "raped by the technology" mean, does giving your name to google is enough to be raped by the technology? (I knew someone who doesn't even like to give his name to people)

My definition would be, being dependent on it. I mean yeah, no one talks to each other anymore. But a few weeks ago I played cards with some classmates in school and the only topics that were brought up, were about some Instagram pictures of some couple and which concerts to show on Instagram this summer. I know I could have phrased it better, but being so dependent on technology that if you sit around friends the only thing your mushed brain can think about is connected to some platform.

LoadingXML wrote:This is a community of normies who think they aren't normies because they use linux, nothing else, take it from me, I have been here for years, those who are acctually good leave this community as soon as they discover most of it are just normies role playing.

Any "evidence" besides that "you know it"? I would agree with you if most people turned of JS in their browsers, complained about independence in software, understood what Darknets actually are etc. But normies just aren't that bright. One normie bragged to me about visiting the Darknet (yes, the only network he knows is TOR) and using something called "Kleopatra", so I asked him if it was for PGP (or the GPG implementation) and he had no clue what I meant by that. So he followed some YouTube tutorial or something, I am very impressed! You are right, those are sharpest tools in the shed.

LoadingXML wrote:Also about teachers making fun of students, I seriously hate this, and it is even dumber if he made fun for a dumb thing like that..

Finally a thing we can agree upon. Yes, I also didn't feel comfortable because I can't just come back at him, since I am a student. I also noticed the others listening in on our discussion about tech etc. after that, so yeah.

LoadingXML wrote:Then go africa, land here is cheap (espically if you converted Euros into X African currency) you may buy sheeps, chickens, and build a small house, and boom you live alone, no technology, no conspiracies, just you and the sheeps.

That's the beautiful thing about capitalism. The FX markets don't just randomly value your currency this low compared to others. It's because Africa and regions in the far east contain people that are as dumb as their sheep. They have and had no culture which is obvious if you examine the art there is or isn't. The African Rubens, Rembrandt, Tizian or Schopenhauer don't exist. Why? Because it's a island full of monkeys. But muh slavery. Yes white people bad etc. but what about other countries that have been absolutely raped like Germany by the allied powers or Japan by two atom bombs? The have rebuild themselves and are now some of the strongest economies in the world. That's because there are certain races that are just better, evident in their environment, in which I definitely want to live compared to some island monkeys in their mud "houses".

LoadingXML wrote:you know you aren't the one dictating which life is the happiest to anyone.

That's actually a good point and I am not sure of the philosophy behind my view, I just know that me and most actual sane and wise people would not approve of most white womens lifes today, getting used by 10 different men, drinking, staying up late etc. That's enough for me to determine those lifes as artificial, being upheld by society and not a truly happy one.

LoadingXML wrote: Cope, reminds me of the mentally disabled of LGBT, where they try to ignore all the hate they get by "not careing for external validation".

I could argue that this isn't true because I have spent basically all my life alone, no one calls or texts me etc. but maybe you are right and I do care, not sure.

LoadingXML wrote: Altho I don't want to live in the west (GOD FORBID) if I ever made it there, and unless some drunk guy with a gun killed me, I will live along...........but I don't want to go there soo. No thanks.

Haha what propaganda is that? You know that most violent killings and crimes are done by brown and black niggers in the EU? Not only are there statistics on it, but we can literally see it by the increased "security measures" since the huge migrant wave in 2015.

I am sure there are schools who don't ask for that in EU, at least in US you could be homeschooled or something.

Ah yes, I just drive to the next state and go to school there, problem solved. No, you can't buy just any tablet, the only approved ones are Apple. In the EU they don't want homeschooling, our history teacher even told us that homeschooling is dangerous.

LoadingXML wrote:The school dropouts maybe, I can't get how an engineer ends up doing basic job (even if he choose to due to reasons), but you are in EU not africa, there are many technological companies and startups, I hate the lazy image this community gives about europeans, I seriously start to believe the immigration policies is just to deal with lazy europeans, not to deal with population crisis.

You can't be serious. Africa is a shithole and that's why the value it produces is so much lower compared to almost any white nation. The entirety of Africa (a continent) can't manage to produce more valuable goods and services then one white country, take for example France. It's 56 (30221532 km^2 / 538950 km^2) times bigger, so why don't they create the value you are talking about somewhere there?

LoadingXML wrote:It works... but for females, the system was designed so women score better, thus saturate the job market and fulfill capitalist/feminist premises.

At least I can end this post with something positive as I fully agree with your point there, all though school seem to be getting harder on them too, since they are equally getting dumbed down by this new environment.

All in all, I have no clue why I took such a long time to respond to your bullshit even though your introduction was kind of funny. You might think you are some kind of smartass and everything you say sounds so calculated and smart, but it really doesn't.

Finally, replying to digdeeper, which I am definitely looking forward too

digdeeper wrote:The basic fear programming that exists in every living creature that has a brain, is constantly being used against us

That is true, I didn't think about those, most likely because they are just so primitive. But yeah, that is sadly true and those human features are abused by most tech companies. I remember reading in one of your articles about some experiment on Facebook done with over 600.000 people which showed how easily people are manipulated to either express positive or negative emotions. What I meant maybe weren't really instincts or emotions and more like life, as humans knew it for thousands of years. The routines and entertainment, everything that was considered normal back then I guess.

digdeeper wrote:The entire notion of "general knowledge" that absolutely needs to be known to create a "proper citizen" or whatever, is also suspect. Most of that is never used in real life

I think you are right there. I was about to say something about learning discipline and comradery at school, but those should be taught by the parents, which they also aren't doing. So somehow, the new system requires all old systems that were in place to raise proper children to fail and I really don't know why. This is too much to think about, but going forward I also don't really think school should be practiced as it is. Those values count more and will help the people you mentioned be at least satisfied about helping society clean as a janitor for example. And yes, obviously not only the praise but the pay should also be raised, since these people are very valuable.

digdeeper wrote:Anarchism realizes the problem with power. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Only when it's fought whenever it rears its ugly head, can anything good be had.

Might be, but I also think it depends on the person as to how susceptible they are to the corruption of power. I also think that you are right, and too much power can corrupt a person even if they had good intentions. The solution definitely isn't the parliamentarism that is currently being practiced, that much I can say. I also hope you don't think of Anarchism as a ultimate solution as I have to agree with @LoadingXML on the point, that a proper society needs rules, structures and hierarchy, just the correct ones. I realize that this sounds like what any "dictator", good or bad, has said, but there is another component to this that I believe is very important: Ideology. A proper ideology could make and has made all those work, since it is able to prevent the people in power from harming their citizens, if the ideology simply prohibits it. If of course the only motive is money like it is for our current governments, then those structures and systems are obviously only out to harm the citizens for money and the benefit of politicians. Don't get me wrong, I think capitalism is the superior system but it doesn't work and was never supposed to work with the government.

I hope you don't take this the wrong way since I really like your forum and website, just my thoughts on the whole arguments against structures and hierarchy, not specifically targeted at your beliefs, I just felt like I had to let them out, as soon as I heard "Anarchism"

asyouwish wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2026 5:44 pm Finally, replying to digdeeper, which I am definitely looking forward too

digdeeper wrote:The basic fear programming that exists in every living creature that has a brain, is constantly being used against us

That is true, I didn't think about those, most likely because they are just so primitive. But yeah, that is sadly true and those human features are abused by most tech companies. I remember reading in one of your articles about some experiment on Facebook done with over 600.000 people which showed how easily people are manipulated to either express positive or negative emotions. What I meant maybe weren't really instincts or emotions and more like life, as humans knew it for thousands of years. The routines and entertainment, everything that was considered normal back then I guess.

digdeeper wrote:The entire notion of "general knowledge" that absolutely needs to be known to create a "proper citizen" or whatever, is also suspect. Most of that is never used in real life

I think you are right there. I was about to say something about learning discipline and comradery at school, but those should be taught by the parents, which they also aren't doing. So somehow, the new system requires all old systems that were in place to raise proper children to fail and I really don't know why. This is too much to think about, but going forward I also don't really think school should be practiced as it is. Those values count more and will help the people you mentioned be at least satisfied about helping society clean as a janitor for example. And yes, obviously not only the praise but the pay should also be raised, since these people are very valuable.

digdeeper wrote:Anarchism realizes the problem with power. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Only when it's fought whenever it rears its ugly head, can anything good be had.

Might be, but I also think it depends on the person as to how susceptible they are to the corruption of power. I also think that you are right, and too much power can corrupt a person even if they had good intentions. The solution definitely isn't the parliamentarism that is currently being practiced, that much I can say. I also hope you don't think of Anarchism as a ultimate solution as I have to agree with @LoadingXML on the point, that a proper society needs rules, structures and hierarchy, just the correct ones. I realize that this sounds like what any "dictator", good or bad, has said, but there is another component to this that I believe is very important: Ideology. A proper ideology could make and has made all those work, since it is able to prevent the people in power from harming their citizens, if the ideology simply prohibits it. If of course the only motive is money like it is for our current governments, then those structures and systems are obviously only out to harm the citizens for money and the benefit of politicians. Don't get me wrong, I think capitalism is the superior system but it doesn't work and was never supposed to work with the government.

I hope you don't take this the wrong way since I really like your forum and website, just my thoughts on the whole arguments against structures and hierarchy, not specifically targeted at your beliefs, I just felt like I had to let them out, as soon as I heard "Anarchism"

Don't worry, I am not bothered about people disagreeing with me, as long as it's in good faith. Hell I spent years in the group chats discussing with people who very much disagreed with me. Even quite some time discussing Islam with the very LoadingXML above .

I don't think anarchism is an ultimate solution, in fact the proponents themselves say it can't be. Anarchism by definition is adaptive, it tries to come up with a solution for every situation. Because it respects the human will and the unpredictability of the world. It doesn't just assume something defined from above will always work. So it's always prepared to attack a problem. That is what makes it superior to any other ideology, to me. It works with (and not against) human psychology. Since it assumes all laws, contracts, assumptions, social rules, and so on, can always be questioned if they turn out to be inadequate, harmful, etc. I don't see anyone else accepting this, but it is the natural way for humans to act. Look at young kids - they explore, they question, they adapt, they resolve conflicts directly as the situation requires. Then society slowly erodes that and they become toys of the system, only acting in the few ways that are programmed into them, and resisting everything else. Adaptability replaced by fear, curiosity by schematics. Then, they become easy to manipulate into whatever whoever is in power wants them.

What is the ideology that makes stuff work in your examples, I wonder?

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Probably my last response to you, since I feel like we are just half each other, or maybe I am not baiting you because you are so superior, who knows. Anyway, apart from facts like that East Germany did absolutely not thrive and West Germany still has to help it just again proves my point that not all races are equal, as the European ones were able to uphold a certain standard of living, which the eastern ones just couldn't.

The only thing I really want to say something on is

LoadingXML wrote:you white art consist of naked statue with small PPs, you are no better.

I think art is one of the most important parts of a thriving culture. You can express so much in it and it is very hard to alter. For accounts of the past I would rather look at art, then read some text, that has been translated and modernized for the 20th time, loosing all its meaning. Of course art is restored but there is only so much you can do. Art is just beautiful to look at and beauty is important.

The statues you are referring to could be from any era, but lets just assume you mean the Hellenistic period. These are incredible artworks that have taken thousands of hours to carve. And those hours were not even wasted since they produced some of the most beautiful statues out there. I don't know if you are just 3 years old, but them being naked has something to do with pride the Greeks felt, as they had some of the best and healthiest bodies, so what's wrong with showing them off in art?

Another example of beautiful art (painted) is Ophelia by Millais. You don't need to know the story of Hamlet, to understand that the scene being depicted is a tragic one. That's what makes great art so beautiful. Today we have been brainwashed to "appreciate" the most primitive and basic "art", which is also very tragic, since there is actually beautiful art out there.

This might seem off topic, but is another sad result of not putting the human actually first. Its like @digdeeper said, where humans are kind of forced into a weird and messed up system, that don't put them first and disregard their actual desires, like the one for actual beauty in art, music and architecture. Very sad to see here in Europe, and I think your response is only cope for not having produced anything beautiful in the past. At least nowadays we are on the same page concerning art

LoadingXML wrote:huh, I like the courage, we'll see how long you last.

Thanks my man, I am curious about that too.

I am new here and I guess landed here because I was/am interested in learning more about privacy in this digital age. But during my "development" I noticed that apparently no one else (in my direct vicinity/ real life) really cares for privacy and therefore you are mostly alone on this journey. No, "internet friends" do not count. It just stunned me how much no one really cares for getting raped by the technology they use.

That's just the truth

I do not know your living situations but I am a student, soon going to college (degrees are everything it seems like) and I already know I won't be getting along in Computer Science, using proprietary bloat and in general very badly opinionated software. This is ironic as I would assume most of us that made it here are probably good with computers and/or programming.

The course is preparing you for a real job, not actually teach you CS in a way to make you become the next Niklaus Wirth or anything

Just recently I had a conversation with my CS teacher in high school about open source after he saw my "dumb phone" (obviously he had to make fun of it since it wasn't an Apple product, his favorite brand) and he told me, that he thinks, that all software should be controlled by corporations, since they can provide guaranteed support and all that crap. There is no way I am working with or for such idiots. But what else do you do? I obviously can't go full Luke Smith and live on some land I own, since I live in the EU. How do you get along in life, where everyone else is okay with being a slave (to technology, work etc.) until they die? Or maybe even meet someone that isn't a slave to all these things?

Masks, seriously, there isn't much you can do, most people who are enlighted at this become actual schizos neets, so i don't think you will find much people like us outside the WWW, If you don't actually want to live around people like this, Luke's path is the only way

This doesn't only apply to work/ career though, as even the students have fallen victim to this in the form of "social media". These networks seem to be everything and without them you are nothing to them. Obviously I am fine with that since I don't need to derive my identity/character whatever from external sources and validation, but if you don't have a presence there you seem to be non existent to these people, even though you meet them everyday. No one has hobbies anymore, no one reads anymore and therefore there exist no real shared interests which could build real relationships. How are you supposed to talk to anyone, when they are constantly glued to their screen and when they decide to talk to you, they can't come up with anything original but repeat some retarded new TikTok trend?

The worst part of it, is that in countries like mine, any twisted word from you can make you end up on a mental ward, you don't even need to be diagnosed with anything, it's just the matter of a hammer hit from a judge or maybe the police might want to do smth with you, if someone start to talk about these things like privacy and anonymity on a college.
I live in the closest thing to dystopia, They even want castrate man who are accused of sexual assault now, in a moment of a false accusations rainfall from woman, a woman don't even need proof to put a men in jail now

I hope this post isn't too schizo for my first post to be approved by mods. Interested to read your opinions on this!

I quite like these schizo posts, it resonates with me

My way to cope is co-existing in a fiction and reality, I don't live in utter lies though, I'm not like a neet

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LoadingXML wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2026 8:50 pm The solution, is constent, fixed, not adaptive.
since human phychology and this period is just a mirror to some other periods that past, circuling again and again.

So what worked before work now.

Are you sure? The same ways to act in every era, every situation? Do you actually follow this in your own life? What document tells you how you should reply to the posts here?

what ideology said that Govs always do the working thing?

I'm not sure anyone believes in that? But it would probably be called benevolent dictatorship.

My point was that any principle you define, has edge cases during which it will fail. Then, that has to be taken into account. But no ideologies do that. Libertarianism assumes property rights always apply, NAP always applies, etc. Conservatism assumes its social principles about how men and women are supposed to act, always apply. And so on.

Defining human psychology as some compass we need to follow is a stretch that requires proof.

It's not about treating psychology as some kind of compass. It's about treating every situation individually, taking into account all the unique circumstances. But either way, I'm not sure how you make an ideology that is supposed to direct human behavior, without caring about how the humans actually work, what they need, etc.

Do you just know, how much an apparatus costs to explore something when you are scientist (adult)?

Okay. But I'm not sure it's relevant here. I meant explore in general ways (not necessarily in modern scientific ways), feeling free to find out stuff by yourself, then analyze it, then decide behavior. To me it doesn't seem most adults are doing that. They repeat the same behaviors even when they clearly bring bad effects, and they don't notice.

Cost of scientific apparatus is really an attack on capitalism. Look at how much money is wasted on wars and other dumb stuff.

Kids basically got no responsibility, no costs and no burdens, comparing them to an adult or a social structure is dumb.

And? Do you think all the burdens put onto the modern adult are a positive? Look how many people are going insane because of all the arbitrary jobs they have to do, government obligations, juggle all the contracts, bills, social norms...

Kids also have many hidden burdens. I wrote an article about that, even. No other group is having someone else decide what they will eat or if they can come out of the house, etc...

Its called growing up, lol.

Yeah, and I don't like it. It's just a way to hide oppression behind nice-sounding words.

Its replaced by a job or anything that you earn money from.

Do you think all the jobs we currently do are valuable? Again look at how many resources are spent on bullshit. Then ask yourself if everyone really must constantly be working.

as I said, as a scientist, just being an apparatus to explore anything is costly, so you just muh, read studies of people who got it, does that fits the definition of curiosity?

It can fit, but I mostly meant curiosity in your day to day life.

Didn't you tell me that Ukraine soliders was forced to go frontline? if it was that easy, then simply asking them would do the job lol.

They are forced. But many went because of propaganda. Zelensky even managed to "convince" some people from USA and other places.

Propaganda also works for other things. Getting you to buy products you don't need because you think they are cool or manly or whatever. Or having you take the vaccine because you believe you will die if you don't.

I have a religion called Islam, want stability? happy life? and most importantly, a happy afterlife? Islam is for you.

We could discuss what (if anything) does Islam prescribe for certain situations. I would be unironically interested, if it is such an universal prescription like you say. But I guess it's a conversation for another topic.

Thanks for your response mia, this was the kind of answer I hoped for with my question.

mia wrote:Masks, seriously, there isn't much you can do, most people who are enlighted at this become actual schizos neets, so i don't think you will find much people like us outside the WWW, If you don't actually want to live around people like this, Luke's path is the only way

I hoped for some kind of response on how to find others in real life to connect with, but you are probably right that most of us semi-aware people can only communicate online and will never find someone with similar interests or even a fully conscious person irl.

mia wrote:My way to cope is co-existing in a fiction and reality, I don't live in utter lies though, I'm not like a neet

Apparently the only way to live after becoming semi-aware, which is quite sad. How come no one else around us wakes up? There is no way a normie just sees some news about companies and the government plotting mass ID verifications, scanning 3D prints directly from your printer (while we in Europe aren't even allowed to print or actually own guns...), Google just deciding to practically kill side loading, backdoors introduced by our CPU manufacturers and other very dystopian stuff and just goes "Ah well". It doesn't matter how such a change is presented, in your head you have to think about the consequences and how it generally impacts other laws and how easy it makes to pass similar surveillance laws etc. Does really no one use their brain anymore to think about these things?